How is this surprising? Let's just call a spade a space: Arab muslims are anything but leftist, especially on social issues. So making them vote against Kamala Harris was probably a lot easier than a lot of people think.
In the Netherlands a party called "DENK" (think, in Dutch) was created, by 2 Turkish muslims, and immediately half the leftist voters (PvdA, party of labour) switched sides. They are more rightist, but especially they are extremely socially conservative. They want extreme punishments for crime and harsh application of the law, except on immigration. Along with the obvious issues (like essentially abolishing animal rights and standards of treatment, allowing islamic schooling, including extremist islamic schooling, pro-minority, except for that one minority with "confusion" between Judaism and Israel, ...)
Anyone who thinks about it for 10 seconds will realize that a long-term alliance between progressives and muslims is impossible. They are forced into that as long as they are very weak, but there's a point where that stops.
It'll be very funny when what has happened in Eastern Europe before happens first in Western Europe, and then in the US. Extreme "friction" will develop between leftist parties and any concentration of muslim voters. This has already happened in a few locations but you've seen nothing yet.
I do not think that Arabs in Michigan voted against her because of Israel. I think people make their votes based on the variety of factors, and not a single one.
They voted against her because she was progressive on social issues, in a country and a party that already makes these voters extremely uncomfortable with what is allowed in the US. Probably including that she was, well, a female presidential candidate.
Plus, if I can be less than subtle, muslim Arabs are antisemitic and strongly anti-Israel. They are not pro-Palestinian. The big difference being that do not want Palestinians to have a good life, you will have big problems bringing the conversation to that. They want to eliminate Israel by pushing the Palestinians into misery and using them as a weapon against Israel. Sorry, but that's the reality of Arabs' political position on Israel/Palestine. They are not looking for compromise here. They are not looking for peace.
This viewpoint does not match in the slightest with Kamala Harris or any part of the democrat party as a whole, in fact it's almost the direct opposite. It has the most overlap with extreme leftists ("tankies") and republicans (because of their viewpoint social issues, LGBT, repression of viewpoints, ...), and while everyone is 100% accurate to say republicans absolutely don't share this opinion, they just want to use them for votes, it's still by far the biggest overlap.
No one voted for Trump, they simply did not vote for Harris because she supports Zionism. This is very clear and easy to understand. I'm a progressive atheist and proud to support my Muslim brothers and sisters. Zionism is modern day Nazism (well, it actually pre-dates Nazism).
Plenty of muslims from Michigan voted for Trump, some even made it to the news regretting their votes. You can easily find a variety of news articles from different outlets about this.
Some definitely voted against her, others didn't vote as a consequence. You have to realize that Biden's administration was enthusiastically backing the people who were killing their families overseas, and Kamala not distancing herself from that position made her unsupportable. Of course it's naive to think Trump would be better, but when the Dems were supporting the gleeful killing of their family members can you perhaps understand the skepticism toward Kamala?
No, I’m not buying this argument at all. I think most voters are not single issue voters as you make them to be. Democratic Party on average advocates for pretty progressive values compared to those held by a typical middle eastern person, e.g., gay marriage, abortion, etc. For me it’s easier to believe that they weighted the issue of supporting Israel vs progressive social causes and decided based on that not to support democratic nominee.
That's ridiculous. The uncommitted movement and pro-Palestinians in general were very clear that they were not voting for Harris because she refused to back away from Biden's genocidal and pro-Israel policies. I didn't vote for her (or anyone) either. I was excited when Biden dropped out and she became the candidate because I thought she might make a change, but she explicitly stated that she would not, losing my vote. I'm not Arab or Muslim, I just don't want to support Israel and genocide. This is common among younger people (thankfully).
Also, Trump is obviously awful and extremely pro-Israel, but so was Biden. In fact, more Palestinians were killed under Biden. I do think the Democrats are starting to shift though, they simply cannot support Israel any more and hope to win elections.
Ask me in 2023 "will Palestinians be better off under Trump or Harris" and the answer was a no-brainer. We Americans would have been better off too. And a bunch of now dead Iranian citizens. Sheesh, crazy logic by some American voters.
I'm not sure voting for the admin literally slaughtering your family is a "no-brainer". I won't vote for anyone who supports Israel. Period. Let's put it this way, would you vote in a Nazi election?
That’s not what I asked. Every candidate in a Nazi election is a Nazi. Zionists are worse than Nazis. We’re having Zionist elections. I’m not voting in them.
We love to ask the hypothetical “what would you do if you were in Nazi Germany?”, aside from being telling that is the only era we’re asked to empathize with, it turns out most liberals answer is: “be a Nazi”.
It is in no way hard for me to say that I'd vote for the lesser of two Nazis. Especially when the consequentialism is so obvious.
The only justification for not voting at all is some sort of belief in "accelerationism" that will lead to a revolutionary overthrow of the Nazis. Which is not just unrealistic, but also likely to have worse consequences if it did proceed.
(It's also stupid, because you can both vote for the lesser Nazi AND still keep working towards your overthrow or whatever.)
At the end of the day, we're talking about people prioritizing their own self-satisfying moral superiority over the actual greater good. Being an adult means sucking up and doing things you'd rather not sometimes. I'm going to keep calling people out on that childish thinking and illusion of moral superiority. The proof is all around us right now.
>That's ridiculous. The uncommitted movement and pro-Palestinians in general were very clear that they were not voting for Harris because she refused to back away from Biden's genocidal and pro-Israel policies.
What is ridiculous is to think that "pro-Palestinians" are a monolithic body that voted and thought exactly like you. First of all, even among the "pro-Palestinians" the opinions on what does it mean to be "pro-Palestinians" range from one extreme to the other, and second, it is ridiculous, in my opinion, to assume that Arabs and muslims did not vote for Trump at all despite his pro-Israeli stance.
