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Europe destroyed domestic energy production and oil and gas extraction in order to make itself entirely dependent first on Russia, then on the Middle East for energy. It was not the Jews or the Americans that forced us to do that. It was our politicians that we elected that did that. And for what? How does it benefit us? Now everyone is crying about insane fossil fuel prices after our policy for more than a decade was to make fossil fuel non-viable. Pathetic.


What's your suggestion here? It's not like you can go back to fossil fuels.

Not to mention by 2030 it's completely game over for ICE cars and fossil fuel plants except gas for peaker plants and even gas heating is becoming financially unviable today. All the old EEG subsidies will start to run out in 2030 and even the remaining subsidized PV plants will be cheaper than fossil fuels.


> It was not the Jews or the Americans that forced us to do that.

The americans kind of forced you off the russian gas though

> Now everyone is crying about insane fossil fuel prices after our policy for more than a decade was to make fossil fuel non-viable. Pathetic.

I think its not only fossil fuel. Germany's decision to shut down nuclear power plants (while also trying to get to net zero C02 emissions) is outright suicidal imo.


Well Europe doesn't have more fossil fuels to extract, does it?


Absolutely false.


Does Europe have enough gas and oil to extract that it would be profitable and allow them to rely significantly less on importing them?


If Europe did not stop issuing licences and if we did not ban exploration, then we could probably be extracting close to double the amount of crude domestically compared to what we are currently extracting. If we did not ban fracking we could also be extracting significantly more Gas domestically. If Germany did not switch from nuclear to gas then we would also have lower demand in fossil fuels. If we went for the only viable green energy source we have, which is Nuclear we could have also significantly reduced our dependence on fossil fuels.

Instead, we went in for the Green energy scam which has not made our energy cheaper or more reliable and has not significantly reduced fossil fuel dependence and has made us totally dependent on the foreign suppliers and manufacturers. We don't even want to produce the windmills and solar panels domestically.

All of this is insane, and if the US stops underwriting our security we cannot survive. Yes sure, the European economy is better than Russia's economy, but most people in Europe has no interest in fighting in a defensive war, so if Russia with the backing of China actually does challenge us we are likely done for. Russia's money also stretches much further than ours, and they don't have to worry about their approval ratings if they mobilize their military because they are not a democracy. No German government will remain in power if they mobilize.

And let's not forget that our Nuclear umbrella providers, France and the UK, both seems on the brink of internal collapse with repeated riots and high levels of disaffection by the vast swathes of their imported populations that feel absolutely no sense of belonging with the host population and countries, and high levels of resentment and disgruntlement of the native populations with the utter failure of centre-left governance.

I really don't understand how anyone seriously believes that if the US withdraws support for Europe that France and the UK will actually go to war to defend any other European country, never mind themselves. They are much more likely to just immediately collapse internally.

All of this is deeply shameful, and it was us Europeans that chose this vassalage. We have to start choosing better. We can be the dominant power in the world. We can be the hegemony, a much better one than the US, if we get serious and choose it.


Speaking for Germany: there have been 3.5 years of center-left governance in the last 21 years and you blame them for all the issues?


Most of the actual policy that was in place under Merkel was center-left, and her non-fiscal policy choices mostly went in a centre left or left wing direction, and the centre-right fiscal policy choices under Merkel really would likely not have been implemented if it was not for the radical left policy choices that was made.

Stopping border enforcement, decommissioning nuclear power and the heavy swing towards renewable energy are some of the most far left radical policy that has ever been tried, and it all came from Merkel, and they all failed spectacularly, and have significantly damaged Europe and Germany.

If it was not for these failed far-left policy choices many of her centre-right fiscal policy choices would have never been made either. And it's not clear that a centre-left government would have had the option to make other fiscal policy choices.

So I entirely reject the premise that Merkel's era was centre-right.


> then we could probably be extracting close to double the amount of crude domestically compared to what we are currently extracting

So doubling... roughly nothing? Europe is importing almost all its oil and gas, right?

> If we went for the only viable green energy source we have, which is Nuclear

Well I do agree that it was unfortunate that Germany (and others) actively avoided nuclear power. Though it's nice that renewables are improving, too.

> if Russia with the backing of China actually does challenge us we are likely done for

Really? Russia has been fighting Ukraine for years. You're saying that Russia can easily beat a much larger part of Europe? How?

> France and the UK, both seems on the brink of internal collapse with repeated riots

Times are hard. Germany does not look that good with AfD, if you ask me.

> high levels of disaffection by the vast swathes of their imported populations that feel absolutely no sense of belonging with the host population and countries, and high levels of resentment and disgruntlement of the native populations with the utter failure of centre-left governance.

Not sure where you're going, this sounds racist.

> if the US withdraws support for Europe that France and the UK will actually go to war to defend any other European country

When did the US last go to war to defend any European country again?

> We can be the dominant power in the world

Is that the goal? I just want to live in peace.


>Instead, we went in for the Green energy scam which has not made our energy cheaper or more reliable

No shit sherlock. The subsidies are still being paid out and will start crashing in 2030.

https://share.google/aimode/yZvPy6zX1ycyyrKsp (This link is only valid for 7 days, sorry).

https://imgur.com/a/UvEfoIy

>and has not significantly reduced fossil fuel dependence

???




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