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> Can't you draw a line and say, what happened in the past cannot be reversed, but we will not continue to expand settlements?

I did a study abroad in Israel in 2005 (not jewish, just for middle eastern studies) when Israel pulled out of Gaza and did essentially that. They forcibly removed settlers and left Gaza. As I recall most Israeli's thought it'd be good step toward peace.

Unfortunately Hamas took over Gaza shortly after and shot some 12k+ rockets into southern Israel over the next 20 years, and then launched Oct 7.

Unfortunately now there seems to be far less interest in Israel now in restricting settlers in the West Bank. I also feel for the Palestinians, particularly the Arab Christian communities, however extremists on both sides don't want peace.

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> They [..] left Gaza.

Sure, if you ignore the part where they kept bombing Gaza, assassinated political leaders, did ground incursions, and blocked it by land, sea, and air.

If Israel wanted a peaceful two-state solution, why did they keep occupying Gaza by turning it into an open-air prison?


> Sure, if you ignore the part where they kept bombing Gaza,

The answer is in the post you replied to.

>> Unfortunately Hamas took over Gaza shortly after and shot some 12k+ rockets into southern Israel


"shortly after". Let's just forget for a moment that Israel made that happen, intentionally. What happened during that "shortly", was there a food blockade?

wasn't Egypt in control of southern border? did Egypt participate in the blockade?

Yes.

why did Egypt participate in the blockade? did it have something to do with their president's assassination? i don't have a precise timeline in memory

Yes partly; around 2015/2016 according to the Egyptian government and more recently a surge in hamas-linked terrorist groups in the Sinai.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/egypt-court-seeks-deat... https://www.arab-reform.net/publication/the-egyptian-armys-c...

It's more complicated of course:

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2024/02/27/why-e...


Probably didn't want to get invaded by Israel

Netanyahu preferred Hamas to the PLO in order to guarantee that no unified Palestinian movement might arise. The way to do that, according to Netanyahu, was to strengthen the Islamist Hamas in Gaza at the expense of its rival, the Fatah-dominated PLO in the West Bank.

“Anyone who wants to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas,” said Netanyahu at a Likud party meeting in 2019. “This is part of our strategy, to divide the Palestinians between those in Gaza and those in Judea and Samaria.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/the-netanyahu-...


What makes Christians more worthy of empathy?

That caught my attention too. It's refreshing to see at least one Christian Zionist showing concern for Arab Christians though.

I don't consider myself a "Christian Zionist".

I'm a Zionist only in the sense that I believe both the Jews and Arabs (Palestinians) have/had a right to states in their respective majority areas because of secular reasons after studying the history of both sides; not on religious or theological grounds.

It's partly what led me to convert to Eastern Orthodoxy which doesn't believe in "Christian Zionism" as a form of end-of-days prophecy. The level of crazy I saw in Evangelical churches and groups during my time there could become absurd.


Interesting insights, thanks. I was raised Protestant (in Europe) and have similar impression of Evangelicals. I'll never be able to wrap my head around some of that shit.

Nothing makes them more "worthy" of empathy. It's that I have somewhat more of a personal connection to them. During my studies the Arab Christians on the campus in Tel Aviv were some of the most peaceful and kind people I met over there and it influenced me greatly.

They also happen to be caught between a rock and a hard place where both the Israelis and the Muslim Palestinians both oppress them. Quoting from [1]:

    I am a Christian by religion, born in Nazareth, Israel to 
    Arabic-speaking Christian parents and brought up in Kufur Yasief, 
    the hiding place of Josephus Flavius
    
    Persecution for Christians in Israel and Palestine is not on the 
    scale it is in Egypt, but it is there nonetheless. It must be added 
    that there is a growing number of Jewish-background, and Russian
    Christians in Israel, who suffer more persecution from the 
    Jewish state and people. 
    ...
    Christian Arabs in Israel/Palestine live in a climate of fear 
    and therefore hypocrisy. Pressure on Arabic-speaking Christians 
    to tow the Muslim Arab nationalist line is so great, that we are even
    afraid of complaining about injustices against us.
    We suffer:
    • At the hands of Jews, because we are seen as:
     o Arabs: and so enemies, and primitive.
     o Christian: and so gentiles. WE are often blamed, by association, 
           for the European holocaust.
    • At the hands of Muslims because we are Christian, and "infidels." 
         We are often punished for “western” bias towards Israel.
1: https://christianpersecutionreview.org.uk/storage/2019/09/Is... 2: https://anglicanjournal.com/arab-christians-among-middle-eas... 3: https://www.newarab.com/news/palestinian-christians-defiant-... 4: https://jcfa.org/article/palestinian-crimes-against-christia...



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