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My father used to complain about that 40 years ago, though in his case he was reading newspapers rather than professional journals. But he'd point it out to me often enough that I started to see the pattern. Scientist publishes paper saying "We may have found evidence of X, which suggests the possibility that Y may also be occurring". Journalist: "Scientists find X which proves Y".

This has been happening for decades; I still see it happening today*. My cynical suspicion is that words like "maybe" and "suggests the possibility" don't sell enough papers.

* Worst offender I can remember was actually from the summary of a paper published on the research institution's own website, so I couldn't blame it on "Oh, the journalist misunderstood what the scientist wrote". Summary said "Exposure to X can, on average, cause a 40% higher chance of Y" (where Y was a negative health outcome). I clicked through to the study and read it. Turned out the confidence interval on that chance of Y was so wide, all you could say with 95% confidence was that exposure to X could do anything from reduce your chance of Y by 5 percent, or increase it by 85 percent, or somewhere in between. They had averaged -5 and +85 to get the scarier-sounding 40% number that they published in the summary, but the truth would have been far closer to "this confidence interval is so wide that we really can't conclude anything from this data". But that wouldn't be nearly as likely to get them grants, so they tortured the data in their summary so that it would look better.

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Scientist: "My discoveries are useless when taken out of context"

Media: "Scientists claim their discoveries are useless"


In most cases, they are only useful to other scientists in their field, which does mean that they are useless to the general person until they show up in the form of a new commodity.

There is also incentives to adapt the message to the outlet. If you send that data to peer review and say we found 40% increase, the reviewers would reject it, so they have to moderate themselves. But if you send a summary to the university’s outreach outlet saying that we found something or nothing we don’t know, then they would also reject putting it out. So even for the authors, the incentive is to send a careful conclusion to peer review and an overblown one to popsci.

Btw, I also think a 95% confidence interval is just the wrong statistic to look at given that data, and that they could probably have analyzed it better.


> Worst offender I can remember was actually from the summary of a paper published on the research institution's own website, so I couldn't blame it on "Oh, the journalist misunderstood what the scientist wrote".

It's a similar thing. We live in the "attention economy", and research institutions - particularly after the US President openly went and had his minions cut funding to research purely on ideological reasons, but it's been a problem for decades - are just as susceptible to blow stuff out of proportion to make headlines and thus increase the chance someone might throw some money over the fence.

And media does the same, just to manufacture artificial debate. And so do politicians.

And frankly, I'm fed up with that, we will drive ourselves into a wall.


> so I couldn't blame it on "Oh, the journalist misunderstood what the scientist wrote"

It's never the case that someone misunderstood what scientist wrote. Much like the scientific papers, news articles, including those reporting specifically on the discovery, have their own goals, and the paper being cited is used as evidence or argument for article's own "study". Except for press, the standard is rhetorical, not scientific, it's the conclusions and not the methods that are "pre-registered" at the start, and claims are defended by "hey it's just a point of view", not by statistical significance.

In your own example of worst offender: the scientific study was trying to establish and quantify the connection between X and Y. The summary article was trying to push the angle that "this institution is doing important work". It started with that conclusion, and the paper cited was just the first thing the author found that could be easily massaged into supporting that conclusions by rhetorical standards.

Same paper might get cited by journalist trying to push for "X is bad for you", and they'll do roughly the same as the summary article. And, same paper may be cited by someone claiming they have a miracle cure for Y, and they'll make a honest observation that "absence of X reducing Y is a common bullshit claim based on misunderstanding the paper [citation], that actually shows there's no correlation there, I mean look at the confidence intervals, even the author says that in text nobody bothers to read"... - citation may be honest, but the article itself is still using it to prop up a different flavor of bullshit.

TL;DR: don't believe news. It's bad for your mental and physical health (p<00.05).


> It's never the case that someone misunderstood what scientist wrote.

This is wrong. Reporters frequently don’t understand the science or the nuance in the science.

Reporting and science are two very different disciplines. Reporters rarely have a deep background in science and almost never have a background in the specific area that they’re reporting on.

Hell, even scientists have trouble accurately describing the work of a different scientific discipline.

Don’t invent bad faith motivations; they exist but most of the time it’s just two people slightly talking past each other.


> Don’t invent bad faith motivations; they exist but most of the time it’s just two people slightly talking past each other.

I'm not inventing them, but maybe conflating two sources:

1. Malice directly intending to hurt or defraud people. Probably not as common as how I make it seem.

2. Not caring. Well, I subscribe to the view that not expending effort to be accurate when talking to other person is as bad as slashing their tires (paraphrasing an old quip), so I very much consider bullshitting and picking a conclusion and then massaging facts to fit it, to be acting in bad faith too.


Nah, even in middle and high school it was plain that people sometimes misunderstood what the teachers meant. It's not like that goes away in adulthood; even when people "care", they still often misunderstand nuance or details, and sometimes even the bigger picture.

Honestly, it's plain weird to say that people never just make mistakes.

PS - worth adding that "I misunderstood" and "I didn't care enough" are not mutually exclusive. You can do both, so saying "they didn't misunderstand, they just didn't care" isn't a reasonable rebuttal. But even setting that aside, there'll be plenty of folks who care but still don't understand.


I'm gonna invoke Hanlon's handgun here: not attributing stupidity to what's adequately explained by systemic incentives promoting malice.

I normally assume people make mistakes. I don't believe this is a good explanation for news publications, university press releases, politicians, etc. because those are organizations with agenda, and commit "misunderstanding" of this type pretty much in every thing they publish. The pattern here is pretty conclusive, IMO.


> I normally assume people make mistakes. I don't believe this is a good explanation for news publications, university press releases, politicians, etc. because those are organizations with agenda, and commit "misunderstanding" of this type pretty much in every thing they publish. The pattern here is pretty conclusive, IMO.

The pattern of personal motives fits misunderstanding. You need to show that there is an organizational pattern of "malice" (your word, not mine), rather than an organizational pattern of "we are trying to publish quickly, and quality accidentally falls to the wayside". I.e., negligence, not malice.

You haven't provided even a shred of evidence suggesting there's malice at the journalist level. Every science journalist I have met genuinely cared about the science (which is why they were writing on it), but they didn't have time to learn enough about the subjects to understand they were oversimplifying things.


Not in science journalism, but I've personally encountered a case in normal journalism that I can only attribute to malice. It was many years ago, but it was so blatant I still remember it.

The 911 call went like this, according to its transcript. Caller: "This guy looks suspicious, like he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's walking around looking into windows." 911 operator: "Can you describe him? What race is he?" Caller: "He looks black."

How the TV news reported it on the air was: Caller: "This guy looks suspicious ... He looks black."

Omitting excess verbiage is one thing. Omitting words that entirely change the context of the statement, making it look like the caller was racially prejudiced rather than responding to a specific question, is something else entirely. That was the last time I trusted reporting from that particular source (it was NBC, by the way).

My principle is that when someone lies to me, I stop trusting them. By lying I mean not just omitting details, or having an obvious bias, but deliberately telling me A when they clearly know that the truth is not-A. I could not see that report any other way but a deliberate lie, knowing the truth and attempting to make people believe the opposite.


this is such a bad faith Reddit-tier comment.

Try checking yourself on next few articles you read, and see how quickly you realize it's the actual reality.

Did just that with your comment. Seems like an exercise in discernment.

A lot of his takes on here are like this.



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