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A lot of Jews in the Polish Ghettos were pretty extremist.


> A lot of Jews in the Polish Ghettos were pretty extremist.

The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising were not going around killing German civilians.


Warsaw Ghetto was sealed off in November 1940 by a wall more than 10 feet high, with barbed wire and guarded gates.

German authorities specifically used the guards to prevent movement between the ghetto and the rest of Warsaw.

Sounds familiar - as I said, history rhymes.


> Warsaw Ghetto was sealed off in November 1940 by a wall more than 10 feet high, with barbed wire and guarded gates.

France was sealed off in 1938 by a line of concrete fortifications, obstacles and weapon installations called the Maginot Line.

> German authorities specifically used the guards to prevent movement between the ghetto and the rest of Warsaw.

French authorities specifically used the guards to prevent movement between Germany and the rest of France.

> Sounds familiar - as I said, history rhymes.

Sounds familiar - as I said, history rhymes.


I'm pretty sure French guards didn't prevent movement between Germany and the rest of France.


> I'm pretty sure French guards didn't prevent movement between Germany and the rest of France.

I'm pretty sure the Israeli border guards didn't entirely prevent movement between Palestine and Israel either, at least prior to October 7th.

My point was simply that trying to claim legitimate border defenses are somehow equivalent to a concentration camp is an insane view.


If you lock women and children in a ghetto, then bomb and shoot them relentlessly for months and years, people are going to want to know what book you are reading.


> If you lock women and children in a ghetto, then bomb and shoot them relentlessly for months and years, people are going to want to know what book you are reading.

This is an absolutely insane comparison, Hamas is free to surrender and give up their weapons if they want the bombing to stop, the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto had no similar opportunity.


I don't think even I would think surrender, in those circumstances, makes a great deal of sense. Given the long run experience of Palestinians...

And I'm an atheist.

Mind you, I'm also British. Northern Ireland and all that.


> I don't think even I would think surrender, in those circumstances, makes a great deal of sense.

Why not? That's what typically happens when one side loses a war, I'm not sure how prolonging the conflict is helpful.

> And I'm an atheist.

So am I.

> I'm also British.

Funny enough I am as well(in addition to a couple others). History is full of people losing their homes and becoming refugees like some of my ancestors did, that's often much better than the alternative of staying to fight and die. I am certainly not trying to get their homes back as that is long settled history.


I'm curious.

Was Britain at war with Northern Ireland?

I've come to believe that it's pretty impossible to understand Israel-Palestine without the lens of religion.


> Was Britain at war with Northern Ireland?

Not formally.

> I've come to believe that it's pretty impossible to understand Israel-Palestine without the lens of religion.

From my understanding according to common Islamic teachings non-Muslims are supposed to be Dhimmi's[0](i.e. second class citizens) and be ruled over by Muslim's. So I think this is probably the source of a lot of the issues with the Israel-Palestine conflict, although there are other factors in play as well.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi


"Not formally" rather implies you think it was. Northern Ireland was/is part of the UK, so civil war I could probably agree with.

The reason I mentioned religion was nothing to do with the requirements it places on how things should happen, but rather about the entitlement and infallibility that a belief that god has decreed something can grant people's mindset and outlook.




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