We are all long aware that Jobs was a flawed individual.

But he made good products that most people like to use. That was GP they were getting at with "he wants to be Steve Jobs."

You don't need to hamfist that into the conversation every times Jobs' name comes up.

IMO it's not a outrage/apologist thing anymore, just played out and irrelevant. There are so many current problems that we don't need to dig up things about Jobs - or defend him. Let's fix-forward.

Altman has far worse issues, considering his alleged actions towards his sister.

No need to be disrespectful.