> The main think I hear about Musk is that he supported a candidate people didn't like and has a lot of different mothers for his children.
You missed a word there.
`The main NEGATIVE things I hear about Musk is that he supported a candidate people didn't like and has a lot of different mothers for his children.`
> Compared to making EVs mainstream,
He didn't do that, although he contributed. I can credit him with raising the consumer demand for in-vehicle assistance.
> helping paralyzed people interact with the world,
I also helped someone carry their groceries yesterday. That's a personality trait. The results of one of his many business efforts is not a personal act...although he likes to take credit.
> reducing traffic in LV,
That was a selling point for funding a different boring technology (that wasn't realized) and hopefully a better transportation system (which also wasn't realized) for a convenience tunnel. SR-99 is a commuter highway tunnel, with double the traffic, and the Seattle Tunnel Partners is not considered a magnate for the same reason Elon's tunnel isn't. It's just boring (literally and figuratively).
I missed no words, the things being negative are implied by the parent comment "All the stuff that is said about Musk, and all the others."
If this degree of pettiness is how you start your comment I'm not looking forwaerd to the rest, but here goes.
> > Compared to making EVs mainstream,
> he contributed
So you agree, but wanted to make another petty point.
> > helping paralyzed people interact with the world
> I also helped someone carry their groceries yesterday.
What a bizarre and silly comparison. Why would you write that?
> The results of one of his many business efforts is not a personal act...although he likes to take credit.
Nobody was saying they were a solo act, merely that he deserves credit. Which he does.
> That's not what happened.
Yes, it was. You provided zero supporting arguments. Here's 30 seconds of research, let me know if you want links.
- $550 million decade-long bribery scheme: USAID contracting officer steered 14+ contracts for bribes (cash, homes, luxury perks); pleas in 2025
- Tens of billions estimated to “scam” NGOs via no-control funding loophole (Musk/DOGE claim: one of the biggest sources of fraud)
- ~$10.3 million for male circumcision programs in Mozambique
- ~$17.5 million for male circumcision and condom programs (broader Africa)
- ~$9 million humanitarian aid diverted to al-Qaeda-affiliated groups in Syria
- Hundreds of thousands to non-profits linked to designated terrorist organizations (even after IG probes)
- $11–20 million for Middle Eastern “Sesame Street” (Iraq/Ahlan Simsim)
- $1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia workplaces
- $70,000 for DEI musical in Ireland
- $47,000 for transgender opera in Colombia
- $32,000 for transgender comic book in Peru
- Millions to EcoHealth Alliance (Wuhan lab collaborator)
- Funding for drag shows, LGBTQ programs, and related cultural projects abroad
- $6 million for tourism in Egypt
- Electric vehicles for Vietnam and other low-priority development spends
- Broader pattern of unaccountable grants and contracts flagged as systemic waste/fraud enabling the above
I have no idea about your points about the Las Vegas tunnel. You might be right but you're rude and disrespectful so I don't want to spent more time interacting with you unless you apologize.
- pointing out that I didn't explicitly say 'negative things' rather than 'things' is a bizarre and immature nitpick
- pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man
- including zero supporting arguments for their assertion that fraud and abuse wasn't discovered
- equating helping disabled people interact with the world to helping a single disabled person with a task.
...as the comment you're responding to points out.
OK. I wouldn't call this rude, much less "incredibly rude," perhaps the word I'd use is "blunt." But whatever. I continue to wish there was a "block this user" feature on this site.
Some people just want to frame every statement as an argument, which is not a compelling approach to a discussion. This understanding cannot be accepted by many people, because they are always considered more informed or competent by their peers. It's rarely worth engaging in replies to people on forums for this reason. It's especially true of randoms who demand their own personal standards of respect.
If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class.
> If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude.
100% disagree, and that’s not what happened here anyway.
> Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class.
HN is not a formal debate, and even if it were, I’m not sure that what the other poster said is a strawman. My unsolicited advice would be to dial back your expectations of the level of discourse you’ll get from others on this site (I had to do the same, a while back!)
It’s a technical site. It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour. Judging by moderation on angoragoats comment it seems that others feel the same way.
> It’s reasonable for technical discussions to have professionalism and adult behaviour.
I agree. My point is that I believe the comment you got upset about was in fact not as rude or childish as you’re making it out to be, and perhaps looking at it through that lens would mean you’d come off as less reactionary in the future. Have a good day.
What if I told you I’ve been on HN since approximately when your account was created? Would that change your opinions at all? (Hint: ideally it shouldn’t, because basing your opinion on the age of my account when you have no other information about me is sloppy argumentation.)
And FWIW, your comments are full of unsupported accusations of logical fallacies and unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,” so I was replying in kind.
It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that.
> unsupported accusations of logical fallacies
There's no point in writing something that can be be disproven by scrolling up the thread. Where I accused the other person of a logical fallacy, I wrote:
"pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man
You're welcome to acknowledge the error.
> unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,”
All positions are expected to have supporting arguments in a debate with peers. 'No' does not include supporting arguments. You should have learnt this from high school debating, civics etc. as a teenager, of failing that, adult discussion in your workplace, or failing that, participating in technical discussions on sites like HN.
> It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that.
Are you saying that I've been uncivil in my discussions with you? If so, please do not falsely accuse me of something I didn't do. I've been civil this entire time (and just in case you missed it, I am not @Supermancho, the user who originally replied to your comment). Note that civil/uncivil and blunt/sensitive are two different axes. My posts may have been blunt but they have been civil.
I am loathe to accuse others of logical fallacies, especially since, as I stated previously, this is not a formal debate, but "Your account is also new, so I (and it seems others) don’t think you should be giving advice about how to interact on HN" is the most textbook ad hominem fallacy I've read on the internet in some time.
You missed a word there.
`The main NEGATIVE things I hear about Musk is that he supported a candidate people didn't like and has a lot of different mothers for his children.`
> Compared to making EVs mainstream,
He didn't do that, although he contributed. I can credit him with raising the consumer demand for in-vehicle assistance.
> helping paralyzed people interact with the world,
I also helped someone carry their groceries yesterday. That's a personality trait. The results of one of his many business efforts is not a personal act...although he likes to take credit.
> reducing traffic in LV,
That was a selling point for funding a different boring technology (that wasn't realized) and hopefully a better transportation system (which also wasn't realized) for a convenience tunnel. SR-99 is a commuter highway tunnel, with double the traffic, and the Seattle Tunnel Partners is not considered a magnate for the same reason Elon's tunnel isn't. It's just boring (literally and figuratively).
> cutting government fraud
That's not what happened.
You should expand your bubble.